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Sunday, July 17, 2016

WITH FRIENDS LIKE THESE...

Duration:40 mins 17 secs

WITH FRIENDS LIKE THESE …

JOB 4 –

“WE MIGHT THINK THE TESTING OF JOB IS OVER. BUT ALAS,

THERE IS ONE FINAL TEST, PERHAPS THE TOUGHEST. SATAN

SLITHER’S AWAY, WHILE JOB’S CLOSEST COMPANIONS COZY

UP.”

DOUGLAS O’CONNELL

“THE THEOLOGY THAT UNDERLIES ALL THREE FRIENDS IS

VERY SIMPLE AND CLEAR:

1.GOD IS IN ABSOLUTE CONTROL.

2. GOD IS ABSOLUTELY JUST.

3. THEREFORE, HE ALWAYS PUNISHES WICKEDNESS AND

BLESSES RIGHTEOUSNESS –

4. THEREFORE, IF I SUFFER AND AM BEING PUNISHED JUSTLY

FOR MY SIN. (AND PRESUMABLY, IF I AM BLESSED I MUST

HAVE BEEN GOOD).”

CHRISTORPHER ASH

JOB’S THREE FRIENDS:

ELIPHAZ THE ELITE,

ELIPHAZ VIEW, THE INNOCENT DON’T SUFFER THE

WICKED DO.

4:2, 3-4, 5

“THE FRIENDS MUST INFER FROM JOB’S SUFFERING THAT HE

HAS SINNED; JOB MUST INFER FROM HIS INNOCENCE THAT

GOD IS UNJUST.”

FRANCIS ANDERSON

4:7,8, 12-16

5:1,17

BILDAD THE BRUTAL,

BILDAD’S VIEW, THE WICKED ARE WITHOUT SUPPORT

8:2, 3, 4,

8:11-19

ZOPHAR THE ZEALOT,

ZOPHAR’S VIEW, JOB HAS RECEIVED LESS SUFFFERING

THAN HE DESERVES

11:1-6, 13-14

20:1-8

ELIPHAZ, (AGAIN)

22:5

JOB’S RESPONSE

12:1-4

16:2

19:2, 3

42:7,8 – GOD AGREES WITH JOB

LET’S CONSIDER THAT:

THEIR FAULT IS NOT FOUND IN THEIR DOCTRINE BUT IN

THEIR ASSUMPTIONS OF JOB AND THE APPLICATION OF

THEIR DOCTRINE TO JOB …

“THE BASIC ERROR OF JOB’S FRIENDS IS THAT THEY

OVERESTIMATE THEIR GRASP OF TRUTH, MISAPPLY THE

TRUTH THEY KNOW, AND CLOSE THEIR MINDS TO ANY

FACTS THAT CONTRADICT WHAT THEY ASSUME. THAT

BEING SO, IF THE BOOK IS ATTACKING ANYTHING ITS

TARGET IS NOT THE FAMILIAR DOCTRINES … SUCH AS GOD’S

JUSTICE AND BENEVOLENCE, HIS CARE FOR THE RIGHTEOUS

AND PUNISHMENT OF THE WICKED, OR GENERAL LAW THAT

WHAT ONE SOWS ONE REAPS. RATHER, IT ATTACKS THE

ARROGANCE OF PONTIFICATING ABOUT THE APPLICATION

OF THESE TRUTHS, AND THEREBY MISREPRESENTING GOD

AND MISJUDING ONE’S FELLOW MEN. TO PUT IT MORE

POSITIVELY, THE BOOK SHOWS (BY IT’S CONTEXT, THE

OPENING SCENE IN HEAVEN) HOW SMALL A PART OF ANY

SITUATION IS THE FRAGMENT WE SEE; HOW MUCH OF

WHAT WE DO SEE WE IGNORE OR DISTORT THROUGH

PRECONCEPTIONS; AND HOW UNWISE IT IS TO

EXTRAPOLATE FROM OUR ELEMENTARY GRASP OF TRUTH.”

DEREK KIDNER

“SO THE COMFORTERS MADE A BIG MISTAKE. JOB DOES NOT

NEED TO REPENT FOR ANY SIN THAT HAS LED TO HIS

SUFFERING. HE IS NOT BEING PUNISHED FOR SIN. TO SAY

THAT HE IS ADDS A CRUEL BURDEN TO HIS GRIEF. YET THE

COMFORTERS SAY EXACTLT THAT FOR NINE CHAPTERS.”

CHRISTOPHER ASH

“MEN SEEK AN EXPLANATION OF SUFFERING IN CAUSE AND

EFFECT. THEY LOOK BACKWARDS FOR A CONNECTION

BETWEEN PRIOR SIN AND PRESENT SUFFERING. THE BIBLE

LOOKS FORWARD IN HOPE AND SEEKS EXPLANATIONS, NOT

SO MUCH IN ORIGINS AS IN GOALS. THE PURPOSE OF

SUFFERING IS SEEN, NOT IN IT’S CAUSE BUT IT’S RESULT.”

FRANCIS ANDERSON

“WE CANNOT DEDUCE THE SPIRITUAL STATE OF A MAN OR A

WOMAN FROM THEIR CURRENT HAPPINESS OR PROSPERITY

OF THEIR PRESENT SUFFERINGS. THE FACT OF THIS

IGNORANCE NEEDS TO BE BURNED INTO OUR

CONSCIOUSNESS, LEST WE SLIP INTO THE ERRORS OF JOB’S

COMFORTERS.”

TIM KELLER

“IT IS NOT SUFFERING THAT DESTROYS A PERSON BUT

SUFFERING WITHOUT PURPOSE.”

CHRISTOPHER ASH

“THE REASON THE CAUSES ARE NOT THE ULTIMATE

EXPLANATION FOR THINGS IS THAT GOD IS NOT

ULTIMATELY A RESPONDER BUT ULTIMATELY A PLANNER.

IN OTHER WORDS WHEN GOD ORDAINS THAT SOMETHING

HAPPEN, GOD IS NOT AT THE BOTTOM RESPONDING TO

HUMAN CAUSES. HE IS AT THE BOTTOM PLANNING A

PURPOSE. THE IMPLICATION OF THIS FOR YOUR LIFE IS

PROFOUND. NO MATTER WHAT MESS YOU’RE IN OR WHAT

PAIN YOU’RE IN, THE CAUSE OF THAT MESS AND THAT PAIN

ARE NOT DECISIVE IN EXPLAINING IT. WHAT IS DECISIVE IN

EXPLAINING IT IS GOD’S PURPOSE. YES, THERE ARE CAUSES.

SOME OF THEM YOUR FAULT, PERHAPS, AND SOME OF THEM

ARE NOT. BUT THOSE CAUSES ARE NOT DECISIVE IN

DETERMINING THE MEANING OF YOUR MESS OR YOUR PAIN.

WHAT IS ABSOLUTELY DECISIVE IS GOD’S PURPOSE.”

JN. PIPER

APPLICATION:

WHAT DO WE LEARN FROM JOB’S FRIENDS:

THEY WERE INTELLECTUAL BUT NOT PRACTICAL,

THEY TOOK A SUPERIOR POSITION

THEY IGNORE THE FACTS

THEY PRESUMED TO SPEAK FOR GOD

WHAT DO WE LEARN FROM JOB:

GOD’S WAYS ARE INSCRUTABLE

(JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN’T KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT GOD

DOESN’T MEAN YOU CAN’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT GOD).

OUR SUFFERING CANNOT ALWAYS BE ASCRIBED TO OUR

SIN.

WE WILL NOT ALWAYS HAVE THE ANSWERS WE WANT

IN THIS LIFE. (THEODICY), 13:15; 19:25

JOB’S SUFFERING FORSHADOWS JESUS SUFFERING


 

 
The RCC Food Pantry Ministry is available for those in need
Our Riverstone Food Pantry Ministry is led by John and Vickie Woods...
The RCC Food Pantry Ministry is available for those in need

Our Riverstone Food Pantry Ministry is led by John and Vickie Woods. If you or someone you know is in need, please go to the church kitchen after service or speak with any of your church leaders who are here to serve.

 

If you would like to contribute to the Food Pantry Ministry, we would gratefully accept the following items. Please be mindful of expirations dates.

Canned vegetables

Cereal
Boxed dinners Dry beans
Boxed rice Can and dry milk
Pasta sauce Peanut Butter
Canned meat Jelly
Canned fruit Dry, condensed, ready to serve soup
Salt & Pepper shakers Diapers, wipes
Cooking Spray

Bath soap, Deodorant, Shampoo, Disposable razors,

Toothbrushes, Toothpaste, Toilet tissue

Vegetable oil Store gift cards to purchase perishable items

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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